RIOT/PROTEST *Special Edition 174* with Fire Dug, gray man theory, situational awareness, hiding in plain sight

This is a special edition episode that is evergreen in situations pertaining to riots/protests and how to avoid them but you may not always have the chance to. So, in that difficult situation what would you do? This episode will definitely help you with situational awareness and so much more. Stay safe out there brothers and sisters! 

Tonight we welcome back our good friend Fire Dug to chat with us about gray man theory: being successful in your daily operations or role by utilizing everything you have to affect how you are perceived by others. It is not just about blending in. So it’s about 1. A goal or purpose 2. Desired perception of “normal”, and 3. Ability and/or means, you must have all three.

SMART is the acronym that was created by technocrats that have setup the "internet of things" that will eventually enslave humanity to their needs. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Welcome to the dangerous table. Just to dangerous. Dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. Stable stable battle battle.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Hey you guys, what's going on? Jesse here. We have a special edition today. This is going to be uh the result of any kind of chaos that's going on there, whether it's uh protests or riots or staged real, whatever it is, right? We have this gray man theory episode that we did, episode 174 with Fire Duck. Well, I took the parts out of that that pertain to all the rioting and protesting and what to do and what gray man really means. The gray man theory. I mean I cut out the uh the the the beginning and the middle, so if you want to hear the full episode that we did way back in episode 174, do that. But for the rest of you guys right here, this is what you need. If you're gonna be near any type of a protest, whether, like I said, organic, paid for, you know how they do, you know what I'm talking about. So uh here's uh uh a manual and uh we we get into some really good stuff here with Fire Doug. So have a good time. You guys stay safe out there. If you can't stay safe, it's stay dangerous. Welcome to the show, Fire Doug, welcome back to the show. I don't know, we twice, three times, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

It's the third time. No, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. No, my background uh I'm a uh lieutenant, assumed to be captain uh paramedic with a local uh fire agency, and also I'm a on a uh a tactical team with the uh a law enforcement agency, local law enforcement agency. So kind of exposed to both sides on the emergency situation.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Since this is called gray man theory, tell the people what does grayman mean?

SPEAKER_03 2:23

So I think I there's a lot of people have different uh a different lane they take with gray man. And I know gray man is used in military, it's using different aspects, it's use like we use it for, so it's a I guess I want to use some caution like with with everything else. Um I don't I don't know I'll have all the answers, know all the rules, everything, but but uh and what I think we're applying it for, what we're talking in reference to is a lot of people just think it's automatically blending in. And that's part of gray man is blending in. So it's it's it's using what you have, your everything that you've accumulated through life, your experiences, your knowledge, your research, moving about on a purpose with some agenda or goal with minimizing um how how people perceive you, right? So we don't want to go out and sometimes you want to be all a known what you're doing, like we were talking earlier. You know, sometimes I may go out in a Trump shirt, and there's many times I won't go out in a Trump shirt, um, just for the example. Um sometimes I want to be maybe bright and flashy with what I'm wearing, and a lot of times I don't want to be. You want to be as dull, plain, no no accessories, writings, things like that. So it is achieving, it's not just again, it's not just blending into a crowd, it's it's achieving a goal, a purpose, and we'll get kind of get into that later, um with trying to achieve the perception we would like from the crowd, from others. And that can vary. That's why I don't want to get it to just say we just blend in, and that can vary quite a bit. And uh, and if people have some other input, that'd be great to hear if people write in or whatever uh to hear what they have to say about it.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Yeah, so outcast, we we s we sort of talked about gray man theory in the past. Um, I like to move in gray man theory a lot, uh, in the gray man because I want to blend in, especially at the airports, like today. I blend in. You can't, I just look like just somebody that's blended right in. Uh just just your typical nerd that doesn't know what's going on in the room. And um meanwhile, I pretty much know what that guy over there is wearing, why he's looking at that, why um, you know, I'm I'm checking out all the exits, the entrances, um, any any dangerous things uh that might be in the room with us. I mean, I'm always looking, scanning rooms, like you said, Doug, but I want to do it where nobody's actually recognizing that I'm doing it. Um, like you said, there. I I there's sometimes I won't wear certain things depending on where I'm going, because I know it's gonna get eyes on me, and I don't want that. Uh I told you a few weeks back that I I my truck is plain Jane right now. It used to have some flag stuff on there, but not anymore because as we got closer, and and I made this a point a few months back, said I'm going gray man now for the and then until we get past the election, and then we'll see what happens. I might stay gray man for a while because we don't know what's gonna happen. So um you want to put in on that a little bit, Outcast?

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna uh I'm gonna expound on that, but from a not from a survivalist standpoint, but from another standpoint. Um, you know, like I'm gonna go back 30 years ago, probably. I had this girlfriend and uh I knew she liked this band, and I bought her a bumper sticker for her band for the band that she liked. I go, here you go. And she's like, oh yeah, I'm not putting that in my car. I'm like, why not? She goes, because when I'm driving around, I'm incognito. And I laughed and I was like, okay, whatever. Because I drove around a car with a bunch of punk bumper stickers all over it. Um, but over the years that really sunk in with me. But there's another aspect of this too. You know, let's say, for example, I don't know, let's say you got a big Jesus bumper sticker on your car and you you happen to be, you know, waving your fist in road rage one day. What does that do for your witness to Christ? What if you're a college uh uh a four-point student with incredible grades and you have a Marilyn Manson sticker on your car and somebody behind you just thinks that you're some say satanic scumbag or something, right? I mean, there's so many ways that that what you advertise might not be an accurate representation of who you are and how people perceive that thing. Um now I'm just saying that as a side note before we get into survivalist thinking, gray man, but I just I think it's probably a good idea that that we don't give anybody any am ammo to judge you because people judge on the smallest pretenses. I mean, it could be they don't like the color of your hair, they don't like your nose, they don't like your face. People are judgy and uh especially non-Christians. I mean, Christians, we tried not to be judgy. That's our goal, anyways. But I mean, everybody is it's nor natural. But if you give them something to go on, um now for me, I've been wearing a lot of uh Christian gear lately. That's new for me because for years I would have never done that. Uh I like it because it it lets people know who I am. Um I was at a party this weekend. I hope that people saw that you know that I'm not drinking, but I'm smiling and I'm having a good time and I'm loving on people. Um I like to show people that you know, I I don't know, I could maybe I'll regret it, but uh but there's a time and a place for everything. But you you've really got to be careful. Like I if I'm wearing that Christian gear and I adopt somebody's spirit at a party and I start gossiping or talking negative about somebody else, uh, what does that do for the faith? Right. So there's a lot of different ways to look at this. You got you better be real careful when you're advertising who you are, because you just don't know what it's what what what it means in somebody else's mind. And you're giving them a springboard to judge. So just a random thought there. I hope I didn't divert the conversation too far.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

What do you think about that, Doug? No, I I agree. And and it's it's the judgment and it's uh in our time, what we're going through, it's her safety also. It's your safety of your loved one, your family also beyond this because Amy and I talked about this too. You know, bumper stickers and flags. I love them. I don't have any of them, and I wouldn't put them on there. For one thing, I don't want my car damaged. You or I walk by somebody who has a rainbow underwindow, we're not gonna key their car, we're not gonna damage them and break a window, we're not doing anything. We're gonna go, okay, I disagree, I'm gonna move on. But it's not so much like that on the other side. I think there's a lot of anger and hatred. And if they can take something out in any way they can take it out, they will. So it's it's it's it's being judged, it's safety, it's security. There's so many aspects to this that we have to be aware of. It's your surroundings. It's and this has gotten more important than ever. And it is like Jesse, like you said earlier, it is gonna be no matter which way this goes in November, you're gonna have to be have the same mindset for different for different reasons. And we know uh well we can get into those reasons also. So um, and the same way with with the Christian things. I I intentionally have a a praying hands, I have a cross on my arm, a tattoo. Um I do it for reasons because of what I do. I'm exposed to a lot of people, and it gives me the opportunity to get people who are not of faith, and they'll see this and they'll ask me about it. That just opened my door. No, I can share this, and I cannot be in trouble for doing that with as far as my my job. And I said, No, they asked me about it, so that's kind of why I did this. Can it be challenging going places? Yeah, when I go to have done mission trips in in Uganda or more Thailand, and you wear a cross there, that is not good. Um, so there's things you have to now you can't kind of kind of hard to go gray man there because you're long sleeve. Um so you just have to be smart, I guess, the decision you do how you do things more than ever now. And and I don't think it we're gonna see an improvement in this. And I don't mean to again, we can't get back to fear because we are not to fear this. There's no reason to be fearful. And as Christians, we know there's nothing to be fearful of. Uh we have God on our side and he wins. It's very simple and very easy. Um we just have to lead other people there. So anything we discuss, even this, it's gotta be done in the glory of God. We have to keep that focus on that. Anytime we do this, Amy, I would do this like you know, where she lives and I live, we'll text each other sometimes in the morning or whatever throughout the day, you can tell you having a hard time, and we'd give us some sends some scripture that just puts that focus back off our shoulders onto Christ that we have him with us. And it's the same thing with with gray man. Our objective still has to be giving the glory to God and not live in fear and just and promote him, but do it in a safe way.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

It makes sense. Uh so basically gray man can work both ways. You know, you can use it to actually start conversations, or you can use it in another way to um stay out of conversations, stay unnoticed.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

That is a great, great comment. We'll talk about that also. Uh that is a very important thing about gray man. Um I guess I want to jump ahead, but we'll talk about the about about talk and things like that when you're when you're uh gray man with the with the theory. Okay. I had a so I had to just had a kind of a I thought how we're gonna do this, how we're gonna discuss this and break this down. Um so I kinda had three parts of how I kind of break it down and kind of run through those, get feedback input. Yeah. And with those to kind of keep it simple, I guess, but get the information out there. I don't know if that's how you want to go through this. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yep. Okay, yep. Um so the the first uh mention of three parts and we kind of break it down. And the first one is is the the important part of this as a gray man is to have a purpose or a goal or an objective, right? We pretty much know what uh in this where we're at today, what what our objective is. Okay, stay safe, things like that. But it's not always your grayman could be at different times. It could uh we can use it any time we want. So it's again it's using what we have, but we don't want to go out just for any reason. So I'm not gonna go to let's take those riots uh back whenever that was, right? 2020. 2020 2020. I'm not gonna go into the inner city just because I want to to see what's going on for no purpose. Okay, it it's it doesn't do any good. Okay. Um it it it brings attention to myself, it brings more people down there for for emergency services. So it it just doesn't serve a purpose. So I think the first thing we have to have a purpose or a goal. Um the second one is the desired perception of what is normal. So our perception may be to it, maybe we want it to be to blend in. We may not. So it's whatever the norm is that we're trying to achieve, is there's a second part of that. The third is you have to have the ability or the means. If you don't have the ability or the means, you can do all the talk you want. Um, if you don't have a means to to blend in, or or if you don't blend in, something goes sour. We'll talk about that. Is what do you can do to get yourself out? How are you gonna protect yourself or your loved one with you with them if you're going to get them? So you have to you have to have the means and the ability. That's kind of the three things, and everything else we get into, we'll kind of we'll kind of roll through those those topics.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

You know, um what this sounds like to me is overall is like it I would call this situational awareness. Does that sound about right, you guys? I mean, this gray man theory, it's it's basically knowing your surroundings and whether you're gonna fit into that and hide into that situation, or are you going to be a a red light, a flashing light in the middle of that room? Who are you gonna be? Who you what are you gonna choose? Well, I guess it depends on like what you said, Doug. Uh, what's your what's your role? What's your goal or purpose of being uh you know moving with purpose?

SPEAKER_03 13:32

You know, correct. And that and that difference that brings up to the purpose of whether we are doing gray man, we should be a protector, not an aggressor, right? We don't want to go in this situation as gray man to be an aggressor. No. Um is there a time for that in defense? Yes, there probably there is a time. But again, we go back, everything go back to your goal. Goal first is glorify Christ. Now looking, gray man is to have a purpose. So if we blend these things in, it is to be a protector of whatever I'm there to do and uh and uh and and obtain. Um if that kind of if that makes sense. So yeah, that's exactly what you what you were saying. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Outcast. What do you think about this?

SPEAKER_00 14:13

No, it makes total sense. I love it. And uh I like how you guys were saying situational awareness. It's kind of I think a lot of people do uh they want to be provocative, and like you like Doug was saying, they might go right into an area that they're probably not welcome. And it's almost like they're asking for trouble. Well, uh that that that is, I don't think that that is uh a fruit of the spirit, right? I think that that if you're looking for any opportunity, I I love how Doug was saying, you know, uh to glorify God. If you look for every opportunity to glorify God, he is going to navigate you through any situation. And it's probably not going to be following the herd. You're gonna be helping somebody up that somebody's walking over. You're gonna be lifting that person up, or you know, I don't know, just thinking out loud here.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

That's a great point you bring up, following the herd, because that brings up what Jesse, you mentioned about movement uh as a gray man. You we don't want to follow the herd as in in something that's illegal, wrong, and moral. Uh but we have to be cautious. A lot of times with movement, we have to follow the herd to stay gray. So without crossing that fine line. And that that can get in a you're you can get in a dangerous situation if you're trying to stay gray in a bad situation. We wouldn't say like an average uh average setting, but if we're something that's unrest, things like that are going on, and for example, we have to go get maybe a spouse from work safely out of where they're at, maybe they work in the city. And we have to follow that herd. I'm gonna throw it back to the 2020. Uh uh carefully do this without without going too far with us. If we had we had we all have uh significant others that are in areas during that during that unrest. And we knew they still have to go to work. But if things change got dangerous, we may have to get them out. So you may have to follow that riding herd. You may have to blend in gray to a rider and look like a rider, so you don't get beaten up, abused, whatever, to get where you have to go to obtain your objective as a protector to get back out. So you may have to follow the herd without crossing that line. We're not gonna go through and destroy things, burn things, and and take that on. But we have to follow the herd in a sense of for our own safety for our objective.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

See, that's the ultimate, that's the ultimate in gray man right there, because you are you you gotta blend in. You know, a wolf amongst sheep is not gonna blend in. That's why you gotta have that wolf put on sheep's clothing. All right, so that the the it doesn't spook the sheep around it. Same thing. If if I'm if I gotta run into town um to get somebody out, I might have to put on a Kamala hair shirt. I might have to, you know, just just to fit in, get to where I'm trying to go, get my stuff in, uh, flip that shirt back around and get out.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

You know what I mean? I'll cast remember was it a couple years ago, maybe three, four years ago. We talked about this with uh one of our other friends that moved down to Tennessee, talking about uh, you know, we might have to go buy some Biden shirts and all that stuff. Remember that? Just to just to be able to blend in, just to be able to go to stores, may be just to be able to go, uh you never know. I mean, I even suggested to him, oh, it's about Black Lives Matter stuff. I said, we need to go buy some BLM shirts because if something around here breaks out or wherever you need to go, you might have to throw that on and play the gray man right there to go get your supplies or whatever you need. Um, so that's that's kind of out-of-the-box thinking there, Doug. I I like that. You know, you gotta, like you said, you gotta move with the flow. Objection, you have an objective in mind, um, but sometimes you're gonna have to put on look, I wear flannel shirts and I know what I look like, what flannel shirts represent. But right now it's just comfy cozy. I know what collared shirts mean. You know what I mean? So so you you're trying to blend in with certain things. Man, I okay, I like this. Let's um let's talk about certain settings.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

Yes, well, that's what were that's why if we go down the the way I kind of set this up, we do it. We talked about the kind of the why. That's what we're on. Okay, so the purpose, goal, objective, that is the why, right? That's the uh we have four things the why, the where, the who, and the how. Okay, is is the objective for gray man. The the the purpose, goals, and objective, that is the why. Okay, so we already talked about being a protector versus an aggressor. Another one uh purpose of this could be a planned purpose for gray man or an emergent, right? If we have to go in right now, right, we gotta get somebody out. I may not be going gray man. If I've got to go in an emergency situation and say get aiming out of situations, it may be gray, but is there a tactical approach to that also because it could escalate very quickly. So you have to you have to know the fine line of where that is, okay, when you're going to a plan versus an emergent. Um you may be going just to gather information. Uh we look at unrest. You know, they talk some if if we ever have and you have uh the National Guard brought in, or or uh what do you call it when they when the government comes in and kind of takes over uh law. What is it? What is it called?

SPEAKER_02 18:58

Oh, that would be a curfew type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Yeah, but what's it called? There's a term for uh not eminent domain or anything like that. Um John Blank. Um I know it happens in third world countries a lot where they they they uh so uh I just had it. I just had it.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

In third world countries and they uh they come in.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Like martial law. Martial law, thank you, martial law. So um she had it, yeah, martial law. So maybe it's informational gathering. Maybe I need to go to find out just to what's going on. We're cut off through radio communications, internet maybe's down, and you're we're stuck here in our northern area, and maybe is it a great purpose? I don't know, but maybe it's a reason because we need to find out what is going on. So maybe it's an informational purpose, maybe it's to go gather supplies, maybe I need to get do a barter for food, or maybe it's a money exchange, or maybe um maybe for medicine. You know, you you think about this. If this goes down to where uh you know, we all think uh digital currency is coming at some point, and you don't have a great social credit score, uh you may have to barter for some things and running out of a medicine. So maybe it's going just to simply go into an area that you know somebody has medications you get word of and you have to go get this. So uh knowing having the why is the first thing because without the why, there's there's just no purpose. If we can't define that, then there's no reason to do what we're doing. Again, we're not gonna go somewhere just to create, just to see what's going on for just enjoyment in this gray man purpose that we're referring to. At the other times, yes, there probably could be some other reasons.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yeah. Um oh man, I well, keep going. I I've got I'm formulating some questions in my head right now and some situations, but yeah, keep going. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

So that was that was the uh the first the first part of three. That was the purpose, goal, and objective. The the second was the desired perception of being normal. Uh that to me is the where and the who that we fall into. Um we we talked about one in s uh example already, a riot situation. Uh you can foresee if things go one way, let's let's say that that Kamala wins the election, there's probably still gonna be some chaos going on. You know, we typically we're law-abiding, uh, just like it happened last time. We don't go out and burn a loot and burn the cities down or trash things. But there's probably gonna be a little more it's probably a little different handle this this way, I have a feeling. Even it's even if it's not you better be really situationally aware uh after these elections, no matter which way it goes. So you can go from anywhere of of normal life. Maybe go down to like you said, you you wear a flannel shirt, you're gonna go to certain cities and looking like a redneck. Um you're gonna want to just dress appropriately. So again, uh maybe it's a business district. So maybe I'm not going down and and my holy lawnbowing jeans, I'm gonna go and put some nicer slacks on and a button up shirt. Again, the purpose might be just because I have to go down and talk to a mortgage broker, but I don't want attention drawn to me. Am I am I carrying concealed? Probably every time. But I don't need attention brought to me. That's why I'm not a fan of open carry. I it just draws attention to you. It's just I know some people have their own theories on it. Personally, it's not. I don't need attention drawn to me. Um, so I may be going down to talk to a mortgage broker and I need to be in Sydney. I just want to look like I'm I'm part supposed to be there. You guys, you guys kind of following on I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

And and I'm the same way. Um I open carry when I'm here at home because you know, something might get them birds and you know, attack my chickens, and I gotta take care of that. Yep. Uh, you never know. I could be back there working on some equipment and somebody comes wandering on the property.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

That's totally different. Yeah, I'm always yeah. You're in your domain here.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Yeah, so that's where I suggest open carry. Um, you know, I I'm uh I'm always a concealed carry guy. Um, just because I don't want that, you know, uh like you said, I just don't want that I don't want that smoke when I'm in the room. You know what I'm saying? That's what it comes down to. I don't want people looking at me knowing that I'm armed. I want to be the one that uh because you become a target. If there's somebody bad in the room that you're in and they see that you have the gun, where they're like, well, that's the first guy we're gonna take out is him right there. Yep. Uh versus hey, uh concealed carry, you know, I'll let stuff happen, jump off, or whatever, and then you can take cover while things are happening and try to do what you can in the room. Um, that's that's my thoughts on that. I mean, we're we we all we're all concealed carry here, I I believe.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

Yep. That's just like going into an ethnic district. You know, if you go into a uh a heavy Muslim population, I'm probably not gonna go wearing a cross on my shirt. I I just don't want that attention drawn to me. Um, it doesn't mean I I don't stand for Jesus, not at all. I just there's there's a time for it and a time probably not to. If I want to bring out a conversation with somebody, yeah, it may be. Right. But again, you know in your environment or what you're at.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

You know, the situations, I mean, that typically the situations that we're in, um work, uh grocery shopping, uh, the gym. You guys help me out here. What's some other ones that uh the people uh because you gotta be able to, especially at the gym, you have to be able to recognize what's going on in the gym, but your attention really is not on the door and what's around you because you're you're sitting there throwing heavy weights and you're struggling and doing things, right? So that's that that can be a tough situation, and you're wearing, you know, usually shorts and and just a t-shirt. So it's tougher to do that stuff in certain situations. So um, you know, we might have to get into that. I mean, that's kind of obvious, but um, you know, you you got me thinking now, what situations would I be wearing it in? Um, I'm always in my truck every day, so uh my situation is different from say say my wife, she's the one that goes into the grocery stores and gets all that food and all that stuff. So it's not me going in there all the time, but you know, I always tell her, you watch your six. I even tell my kids all the time, you guys going out tonight, whatever you're gonna do, watch your six. They know what that means. You know, watch your friends too. Make sure that you know somebody's watching their back. So um I don't different situations, I guess, that we run into every day. This can be applied.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

Absolutely. Absolutely. You you go in, go in. I'm not gonna go into the hood, but uh you know, you go into the inner city. Uh you probably should change some appearance, some things you're doing, the way you're acting, the way you're you know, your way you're you're portraying yourself. Um going through uh a a parade or a rally, you know, going to a Trump rally or a maybe you need to go through to get where you have to go through and and Kamala's got a rally going on or something like that. And you yeah, you maybe you need to look not like you're a Trumper going through there for your own safety, for your own purpose. Um I tend to think of more of this uh just because of what's going on with elections coming up. I find my mind kind of going keep going down that road of of unfortunate where we could end up, uh I guess. And that's where I find myself just being more aware of that. Every day you should kind of have, like you said, you should have the ability to go gray if you have to, um, and and planning for that. I don't I don't think we're gonna see anytime soon where we'll have to worry about you know going say to a militarized zone. Uh it potential, it could be. You have enough civil unrest. Um you you may have to go with a different approach there, very different approach there, uh, to not draw attention. And that's attention by by law enforcement or government. Uh so there's there's so many different different uh wares, I guess, uh that you have to have a mindset. And and can you have uh cover outfits, clothing for everything, you know, probably not. Is it realistic to have it on you? It may not. But you have to be smart about it. Yeah. That's where if it's certain things that you know you're gonna be attending or going to and you're planning that. Um if if I had a spouse that's working, say at a at a uh one of the tall buildings in Detroit, I would have an exact plan, a route, like you mentioned earlier. Um highways, main roads, absolutely not. You should have Amy and I talked about this too. Uh you should have a pre-planned route, depending where you're coming from. I love dirt roads. If things go bad, they don't get blocked as easy. Fallen trees, I'm talking storms, I was talking to if there was civil unrest. Dirt roads, you stay in a pathway, and you have an exact route you go. So if I have to go meet her or she meet her, we know where we're gonna meet. Um, and we're gonna get into some other details on how that's more of how we get into it. Um is having have these pre-plans can save so much. Okay, that's why we we pre-plan fires. Okay, we practice burning buildings down. We go around with our team and we go through okay, if this building were or what do we do? How do we so that way when this happens, we have a pre-plan in our mind. You have all the answers no. But you at least have a start uh ahead on a lot of those you can't. Yeah, you can't pre-plant everything. It's just one of those other tools and toolbox. Pre-planned ones you can. Um if you know you're going to maybe you have to go in and you know you have to get food supplies in a certain area, or you go the city to the to the market, farmers market. Well, maybe you have a backup plan that if things are not so good, that you can have an alternate route and different means, and have that with your family members also so they know this route. They know where meetups are if things happen. Because if communications go down, now what? We are so reliant on these cell phones. Uh look look at how we used to when we grew up. We had a map. You know, remember folding a map out in front of you and laying this map on the steering wheel map quest when you drive. Yeah, and the big map. Yeah, and you're looking. You can imagine that now. You know, I had an instant, I was driving somewhere. This is a while back, and we had the big blackout, and the phones went out. And I was driving somewhere and I was already where I didn't know where I was, and I didn't have my map on my phone. I went, oh no. So I stopped at a place to buy a map. I think it was a CVS or a Walgreens, and she said, A what? I said, a map, you know, paper. Yeah. And they laughed and they said, I don't, we don't have those. That's funny. It was frustrating to not know where I was going. And I thought that made me think I need to get maps.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

I collect maps. I have a stack of maps over there. County, uh, local, state, country. Uh I have topographical maps. You know, I like those top of maps. Those are really cool. Critical. Yeah. Guess who else has a map? My daughter in Florida. There's a I put a big road atlas in there with all the states so she can flip through. Some have uh the counties broken out. So um, you know, what you were saying earlier got me thinking about um not it. This is not just about clothing, right? Uh, this is not just about what you wear, but it's also about um the situations you put yourself into. Alcass, have you ever been into a a place where you're kind of sheepdog? Uh let's call it sheepdogging, because that's what I do. Like when I go to that when I'm that's what I think I have to do, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Um it may not be what you're thinking, but um yes, uh even before I was I I guess I've always been kind of a Boy Scout, so I've had that this my mentality, but for decades I played in hardcore punk bands and we played in abandoned houses in Detroit. We played in uh horrifying basements um that were fire traps with the windows barred shut because it's in the city. Uh we've been I've been in some situations where I am looking around going, what is the escape plan here if something goes awry? Um yeah. So I've uh when you're around a bunch of um uh nonsensical punk kids who are just interested in partying and and thrashing out to loud music. Uh I've always been the guy with my head on head screwed on straight and thinking, is this safe? Is what where's my so yeah? I can honestly say yes, I have been that guy where I'm uh frequently I've been that guy. Uh it's hard for me to relax sometimes because of it. I go to these these events and it's just not like, woo-hoo, yeah. I'm like, no, I'm thinking, all right, this is really potentially bad. You know, what's going on here? Yeah. Or if something to come in or if there's a fire, you know, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

It's the same stuff when I used to DJ, say thinking the same thing. I'm always scanning the uh the the crowd and scanning this and what's going on in these little groups and stuff. Uh yeah, Stephanie put up on on the screen we might uh we might see a category six. Um yikes uh talking about this hurricane here. Um it's just me. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Oh, go ahead. I just I was looking for Doug. We're happy to have it.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Well, he's he's he's gonna do some sheepdogging here. So um he's gonna be blending in and not blending in. So I I'll I'll show you here in just a few minutes. Um one another thing that I uh that I really enjoy, and it doesn't happen all the time when I'm doing the sheepdogging, the the gray man stuff. Um I'm always looking in the room for another guy, it's usually men uh or women that are also doing the same thing. And every now and then you can find them, right? You can see that it's like, wait a second, wait. And then they'll end up noticing you, you know, like, oh, you're doing the same thing I'm doing. So it's kind of cool. It's kind of cool that you have a couple people sheepdogging. And when I'm saying sheepdogging, you guys, it's like I'm always the one. Um, for example, if I'm on the sidewalk and I'm walking with um, you know, my wife or daughter, mom, a female, right? Any female, guess where I'm always at? And I'm conscious of it. And I always you're closest to the road. I'm always on the outside on the curb. Always. If we go across the road, I switch. They most of the time they don't even know I'm doing it. Um if I catch up to somebody and uh you know it and she's she's on the outside edge, I'll just slowly work my way up there, and then all of a sudden I'm on the outside edge, and we just kind of go towards the buildings because that's that that's how we do it. So, you know, we're talking about sheepdogging, right? You guys remember what Doug right here just looked like, right? Just what was Doug wearing, Outcast? Tell him, tell me what he was just wearing.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Uh, he was wearing a black t-shirt with white text, and he was wearing a camouflage hat that had uh uh red, white, and blue stripes on it, and uh, I think it said Trump on the front of it.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

All right, you want to see what he's looking like now? Sure. All right, there he is. Look at my hair daddy.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

So now he has changed his look. He changed his look right there.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Did he put a beaded necklace on too? Yes. And he's got long hair.

SPEAKER_03 33:30

Accessories, yeah. So he's accessorizing. Look at this. So it's like we talked about. So now we talk about uh the why, right? That was our our last thing. Um well with this, as far as as far as the uh there's a second part of the two of the um having the perception. So if I'm gonna go in and to a certain area, now this is pretty extreme, but if I don't want to be recognized, um, and then I would lose this, by the way. This is for hunting season, getting ready for that. So the beard, the gray doesn't the gray doesn't go with the color of hair. So but I was gonna shave the beard for tonight. Yeah, so it takes too long. Uh, but if I know that I'm going in into an area that it just I perceive some danger, um, or it's an extreme purpose to get in and get out, yeah. This is how far I'll go. Uh if you have to. Um that makes total sense to me. Look at that. Nobody's gonna nobody's gonna recognize. And I and there's another one I have another one that may have a part to it. Different things, different reasons to uh to have appearance. My haircut, I can't do a lot with. Kind of stuck with that. So I can't change that a lot. So if I can't change that appearance, uh, where some women can change that with the longer hair, you can do something to change that appearance very quickly. Uh, some of us can't do that so quickly. So if I have to, this is what I do. Also, what this offers is you can't see my eyes. So if I have to scan this hair, you have no idea what I'm scanning, where I'm looking at. And I can kind of be calm, cool. But in the back of my mind, I see a lot of things that are going on. And I'm probably not gonna wear this whole time because it gets hot. Uh so just wanted to give the idea of the extreme blending in.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Well, let me let me offer this too. Take this book right here and pretend you're reading that book, but actually you're scanning the crowd.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

So look at that, you guys. So if you're out there doing something, I mean, I know we've all done this, some some of us on accident.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

Yep. And a turn, maybe we're here to some light just to kind of check that area or whatever. We have no idea whether I'm reading my book or I'm just scanning around. Looks like I'm just reading my book.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

Yeah. Wow. Uh, so here's a good question. Music lover just brought up. She says, uh, do you change uh change up your gait too, the way you walk? Um, some people will do that. You might throw a little limp in there, you might throw a little a little more uh some of that jive in there, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

Just if you because you if you recognize somebody's uh if you have a a gate that is obvious, you absolutely may need to do that if you can if you can do that. That could throw somebody off who's who's not really paying attention. Um if if it were uh very extreme that I may go in carrying things, and maybe this is to come out. Maybe it's to because they're looking for something different going in. Yeah. And they're looking for me. They're looking for like Alcast said, looking for that color shirt, that hat, the haircut. I come out now with this because I brought it in with me. I'm gonna slip right through.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Yeah. Very extreme. You know what I I really like about this look that you have, and I'm gonna keep your picture right up on the screen there. So, so the the audio people who are gonna listen to this later and not look at this, when he was just here, he looked, what was this vibe that he was giving us outcast?

SPEAKER_00 36:36

When the the the uh look, yeah, you you know clean cut uh patriot, you know, redneck. Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

He gave off the patriot, suburban patriot kind of guy. Right now, the vibe that I'm getting, because you have your aviator glasses on, you have that long wig, well, not long, but a lot of hair wig, a different hat, um, the wooden beaded necklace, and that that shirt right there. It's a it's a button up with the collar, checkered, white and white and black, checkered shirt. To me, right now, you look like a mid uh middle-aged radio DJ. Just just you can walk by and nobody even remember who you are.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Yeah, they would I I do have to admit that he's unrecognizable. I he doesn't look like the same person at all to me.

SPEAKER_03 37:23

And if and if I had like I said, if I have to do this, because it can be used both ways. I can go in like this if I had to go accomplish something, maybe maybe I need to go pick some food up in an area that's not good, things are bad, whatever. I need I can go in like this, or I can get go in normal and come out like this to throw somebody off. And we're gonna talk about that, the movements and I think because uh they're they have their mindset on something. They're especially people who are feel threatened. You know, they're they're gonna pick these things up also. We do this, we we uh have situational awareness. Well, so do people that are trying to do injustice. They do too, they know their situation very well, so they're gonna be looking for things too. So you may have to throw them off in this again, very a very extreme. Yeah, but you'd have no, you probably wouldn't even guess twice if I can walk like thinking this is this is who it was who just walked in.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

This is you know, outcast, it seemed like this would be something valuable to throw in your bug out bug out bag, or you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

You know, the epiphany that I'm having, it I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. At first I was like, oh come on, this is kind of ridiculous. But then I'm like, oh my gosh, he's unrecognizable. And another thing I'm thinking of too that that's kind of blown my mind, the that's making this sink in, is my entire perception of this person I'm looking at now is completely different. This guy looks like a some kind of laid-back, um, you know, Jobby Nooner kind of guy that wants to just go listen to Jimmy Buffett and hang out. I mean, if you if you don't want to be perceived as who you are, it's it's just like the the concept I was saying earlier about a bumper sticker and how you assume who the person is based on the bumper stickers, right? Yeah. Looking at looking at Doug in this this this getup is like it's very disarming because I'm not like he does not look like a threat. He looks like he's some laid-back hippie dude that just wants to you know smoke a baby with you and throw a frisbee around.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

If I'm going with tactical pants, my normal haircut tactical pants, whatever, uh it like that we're in trouble. Man, I'm looking might be looking for trouble. Yeah.

unknown 39:18

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

And if you look like that, they're gonna assume that you have let's let's say, for example, there are um some bad uh bad ombres around, right, that are opportunistic, which is what all bad people are as opportunists. Uh, they're gonna assume that guy with the tactical outfit, he's got a weapon. Let's go beat him up and get that weapon off him.

SPEAKER_03 39:35

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

That's awesome. Anything Amy says, uh, he looks chill and uh he looks chill on weed or something. Yeah, it's a lot to me. You also you said it pretty good there, I'll guess. He also to he looks like uh a parrot head, a Jimmy Buffett parrot head, like like somebody's uncle that you want to go drink beer with at the parking lot. You know what I'm saying? At the at the tailgate party. That's that's so again, yeah. It's weird. Yeah, go do a cutaway map.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Go do a cutaway again.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Yeah, he he spends uh this guy, this guy we're looking at, he spends uh summers uh spends the winter in uh Key West, is what I'm thinking. There you go. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, but you know, it's funny because it it it it it's like I said, it's just like the bumper sticker thing. I'm looking at him and it's like this is the last person I would see as a threat. If anything, he looks like a like a potential victim, or he's just gonna blend in. Like, you know what I mean? He's just he's just you know what not anything.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

Yeah, and in and this this kind of stuff that that he just did here, you see that how that's exactly how they do that on TV shows, right? They do the exact same thing on TV shows, they'll go into a bathroom dressed like that and they'll come out some as somebody else, and you know, um that the way they get caught is because they dump all that stuff into the garbage, and then the bad guy sees in the garbage and says, Go get him, you know, this kind of stuff. So yeah, it's it's it's funny, but it's very effective. If that's something you guys have to do to who knows what's coming, we don't know what's coming. We don't know what's coming. They can throw anything at us. And if there's some supplies, uh supply chain breaks down, but yet our kid needs a certain uh uh medicine. Would you do this? Would you dress this way and and and go help? I would have to I would, I would. All right, let's let's let me turn his camera back on and see who we're sitting with now, outcast. So today, now um that explain it, outcast. Who's he look like now?

SPEAKER_00 41:27

He looks like my friend's dad who's an attorney.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Totally. He looks like a very clean-cut, middle-aged business guy. You have the the the nice reading glasses, the nice beard on.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

This would be this would be taken on.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

But but still the mustache. If you just had the mustache and not the beard, yeah, that fits right in. You're like like somebody's uh TV dad from the 1970s. I mean, it's perfect. And here's the thing you're wearing the same shirt, giving off different vibes.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

Different glasses, changed the glasses, took the beads off, totally different, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

Different hair, different hair. You can change so much to get your effect, that perception, right? The wanted perception. I can go in looking like a threat to somebody, or I can go in whereas somebody doesn't even we walk past those people every day. And we know, especially because our mindset, we're looking for these things. So we we pass people every day that we go, no threat, no threat, no threat. We don't we don't take the time to really break it down. We are now because we're just what we're here for, but then we pick up the ones who are threats, right? So we it's a very simple thing, very inexpensive thing to do. And I strongly suggest that we you you probably have some options uh for that. And I gotta take these down because these are readers.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

Oh man, that's really good. Music lover said you look like Tucker Carlson as Kevin. That's awesome. I agree with you. You know what? I have a uh I have a Coleman lantern back over there we can put in the background, too. Uh no, this is great. Look at that. You have you look totally non-threatening. You look like somebody I just walk right past and not even remember your face, your features, nothing because you blend in. You know what? You blend in like a four-door gray uh sedan.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

Yeah, yeah, that's what we want. You don't want the Maserati. You want the you that's exactly what you want. The four-door sedan.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

Wow, dang, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

It's a great analogy. So uh you want to go and look at Corvette? Yeah, you may get some attention. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

So well, it's like the the the girl in the red dress on The Matrix. Remember that? That totally screwed up uh Neil's attention when that happened when she came by. Wow. Outcast, what are you thinking right now? I see a big grin on your face.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

I have a I have a comical mind, and I'm I'm thinking of one of my all-time favorite movies, which is uh the Pink Panther. Oh yes. And he had a bunch of disguises as the one where he's got the he's got the hunchback outfit, and Cato comes in and he's like, Who are you? He goes, Ah, this is me, Cato. Wait till you see the full effect with the hump.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Yeah. That's good stuff. Oh, that's awesome. I like it. But you see how effective this is. I mean, even with you sitting here like this, you want me to cut you off again? I'm just gonna take some. Off.

unknown 44:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

You can leave it off if you want. I'm going to take it off.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

All right. So, so you hang on a second. Wait, wait. You know what you look like right now? Is um you look like Rico uh from Napoleon Dynamite. Uncle Rico.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

It's so funny. I I had this at work and everybody uh I can't hear what you guys are saying. But everybody at work said, Oh my gosh, you look like Uncle Rico. You could have been a you could have been a quarterback.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

You could have been throw that pig skin a mile a quarter mile. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that is awesome. Yeah, go ahead and take that off.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

Sorry anything, Amy. I don't think she likes this one a lot.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Well, she probably does. You never know, fire dog. You might have to come home with that and tell her, hey, uh, you know, Uncle Rico's home, baby.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Uncle Rico.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

That's good. Okay, even right now, that looks a little different. It looks like you just came from uh a diner or a a breakfast uh a coney. You know, that's it. You look like that kind of a guy right now, doesn't he? Outcast looks like uh a shop worker that just came back from a coney wearing the hat, same still the same shirt, but now the shirt's open a little bit more. No glasses. Yep. I mean, look at that. That's man, you can do a lot, a lot of these different looks, and you can carry these things around with you because you never know what's gonna go on. If you got to get out there and get some supplies, that gray man theory is gonna help. You know, women, you have way more opportunities to do this than we do, I think. It seemed like it.

SPEAKER_03 45:22

Yeah, yeah. That's like uh jewelry, you know, like women, you know. Man, the last thing you want to do is be flashy. You're going somewhere, you'd last thing to draw attention to it just in general, uh flashy rings, flashy necklaces, and any also things that can be remembered. You know, if I have like you said earlier, just if I have a plain shirt, plain green tan shirt, plain pants, whatever, haircut, no rings, no watches, things like that, versus I have a gold chain or I have this nice Apple watch, or just things that will the more easy things to pick up on. It's just more obvious, more things that that they have to gather on you and to watch and follow you, if if you're even being followed, which we didn't even get into that.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Yeah. Anything, uh Cass, what are you thinking right now before we get into the next spot?

SPEAKER_00 46:08

You know, forgive me, guys. I have ADD and my brain is all over the place. Um, but correct me if I'm wrong. You know, so so let's say you were talking about taking you know dirt roads and getting around backways if there's something crazy going on. But uh, how about this? Let's say I'm in an inner city scenario and uh you know stuff hits the fan and you've got uh you know people running the streets. In my mind, I always think get off the main drag where the where the herd is running and go down the back alleys or something. Now that could be dangerous because you, you know, you're but I think would you uh less eyes on you the better. In my mind, I'm thinking in a city situation. Would you agree with that? Or I mean I'm just thinking out loud. I'm not an expert.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

Yeah, I do, yeah, for sure. I mean, think about it. In your situation, you might turn down a street and you're like, Oh, I'm not uh I gotta get out. I can't I can't go down there, I gotta back out. I gotta there might be some crazy stuff going on that road. You don't want to be part of that. You might have to back out, but if somebody's in behind you, now you can't get out. Yep, so you might have to curb your car, get out and walk.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Yep. That's a that's a great topic. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get in the third, but let's just jump to it now. We can go we can always bounce back and forth. Okay. That was one of the things I was gonna talk about in the the third category, having the ability or the means. Okay, that's that's the how. How are we doing things? And then that's kind of where this where I was there with the outfit. This more the how. But movement, movement is very critical. Um if we're going in there to be incognito, to be unnoticed, that's our uh we want our perception to just blend with the crowd. Um, but if for some reason that that changed and you were picked up and recognized as not supposed to be there, um you watch these guys who do that, they'll go into a Kamala rally uh with a Trump shirt or go to Kamala, then they'll change your Trump to see what kind of reactions they get. And you get somebody following you, uh, things like that, that becomes critical in your movement. Um, that means so you if you think you're being followed, it it's weaving, it's ducking and weaving. It may have to be going down an alley. You don't want to isolate yourself or contain yourself too much, but it you may have to duck and weave. Normally you want to move with a crowd. If you're trying to blend in, you want to go where that crowd is to get where you have to go. So if it's to get to uh building X for whatever it is, and you have to follow the crowd and go out of your way, you follow the crowd whatever it is, until you can get where you have to go. Versus having a direct path. You know, we're talking, I'm talking times when it it uh things can be a little more challenging with like upcoming. Um but if you have to if you have to you have to maybe weave back and forth, then then that's what you do. Avoid being alone if at all possible. If if you can have a another set of eyes that are behind you that have your back with somebody else who's uh gray, uh two gray people together uh it is is having a partner seems a little better, a little smarter, because I can watch your back. The chance of them thinking somebody else is walking that far behind her or watching is just they're not they're not thinking that way. So I can I can watch her back a little more. Just having to do with the movement. Um if it gets so bad that you have to maybe even even evacuate your scene, like you mentioned, you're in alley, and I've got a I've got a duck into a building, duck in somewhere. Um the last thing I'm gonna do is br is to bring noise. Noise will bring attention to yourself. So if you have to do something that's noise, maybe I need to break a window to get into somewhere, just get some security. Maybe it's in a riot. You get you stuck in a riot situation and it's it's civil unrest, and I'm not you're not gonna take part in it. Because the last thing you do is not take part in a riot and them notice you not taking a part in a riot. Yeah. You're gonna stand out. So if I have to get out of that environment that I shouldn't have been into or whatever, it just went down the wrong way, then I may have to do something, make a loud noise that's I've that's that's unwanted to draw attention. What you need to do is you can time that move that thing. So say after break a window to get through a building just to get some safety. You kind of wait for that break that window when there's other noises around, trucks going by, some other some other noise that that masks your noise or whatever. Maybe it's kicking in a door uh that just won't they won't draw your eyes and attention to you. You can't you guys follow what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 50:09

Oh yeah, that's how uh well yeah, no, I do. I was gonna go a different direction, but I don't do that. Um if you can mimic or match, like you said, I I like that thought of somebody walking. You can see them walking, but they can't see you because you're over here on the side somewhere. You're gonna walk, try to walk the same steps that they do, and then when they stop, you gotta stop. I mean correct.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

You're watching, you can watch each other too. You can walk in parallel, right? You kind of get the other, you have each other each other's six on that. Okay, it takes a lot more coordination, a lot more training practice to do that. Uh I don't suggest you go doing that with somebody who's you know first time doing that, you know what I'm saying? Um that that kind of comes into also the the the who uh if we're kind of jumping back is as far as if you have to go and do things. Um actually I'm gonna take a step back for a minute. Well, can I jump in real quick? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Okay, because because outcast, you said something earlier and it jogged my mind about this. January 6th, who put on certain clothes to fit in to get things done? What was that? Tell us all about that. You guys both know about that, and they're famous, they're infamous for doing this all the time, even here in Michigan. What'd they do?

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Uh you mean about the federal agents who dress up like uh try to look like Trump supporters?

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Yeah, and throw in the and I've got the video of the Antifa ones doing it underneath that tree. They're all you know putting on MAGA stuff. They went to that vendor right over there, bought a bunch of MAGA stuff, and put it all on. They agreed, and then they're fitting right into the situation, and then they go create the chaos. Well, hey, the we the media is waiting for them to create that chaos because they have a script to read and a video to show you.

unknown 51:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Well, and then back to the situational awareness. There were people spotting these people, pointing them out before they were doing it. A, B, you can throw on a Trump hat and and and on the on the surface, if you're not super observant, they can fit in just fine. But then you music lover mentioned something earlier about if you're in the city in a in that situation, your shoes are going to give you away. Well, if you are an Antifa dude or person, it whatever you want to call it, that wants to be in blending in, take a look at their footwear. If they're wearing Doc Martin's, if they're wearing some, you know, you know, certainly, yeah, certain kinds of shoes, or they're wearing black pants and they got some patches on it, you know, you that's your giveaway. Just even if they have a Trump shirt on, a Trump hat, you can tell by other giveaways, uh their backpacks, their, you know, other things that they're you know, maybe even tattoos on their hands or different things you're gonna spot.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

Uh so so so that requires situational awareness on our part too. You gotta look and spot the bad guys trying to blend in with your crowd too.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Yeah. I always, when I'm out there in crowds and doing things like that, I'm always looking at their shoes and boots because I'm if I see Danners out there, it's like, well, that's that's that's a guy I need to stay, you know, stay near or get to know because daners, if you guys are familiar with Dan, you are um, I've got a pair too. That's that's the uh the the the shoes, the boots that uh are you know military or um enforcement, uh law enforcement, SWAT. Uh these kind of guys wear those things. I have a pair because they're comfortable and you know, if if so I shoes tell a lot, boots tell a lot. Go ahead, okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

A moment ago I mentioned uh the tattoo on the hand thing. Uh this is a true story that happened at church one time. Um, this guy shows up in our Bible study, and um he had his Bible with him, and he was he was trying to participate. Now, now the the main thing as a Christian, you you can pick up on the fruit that people bear bear. Uh his questions were a little off. Now, this is the thing that I found I was a little disappointed with my my rest of my Bible study people. This guy on his hand had a tattoo, uh the Illuminati tattoo that has the uh the Skull and Bone Society. Yeah, what's the number? Yeah, it's got the it's got the skull and crossbones, but it has a number on it. What's the number? I'm trying to think of what it is. Is it 33? Um it might be 33, but I thought there was something else. I recognized, I was like, and and he had that on his hand. Now now granted, it's it's a situation where he could be born again or whatever. But this guy, he had a strange demeanor, he was asking strange questions, and then in the middle of class, he got up and left. And I said to my my the rest of people in my class to go, did anybody else see the tattoo? And they said, No, and I said, Well that's an Illuminati, uh, not Illuminati, that's uh a skull and bones. Skull and bones is a secret secret society. And they just looked at me like, What are you talking about, man? And I'm just going, if you don't know the basic stuff that's going on around you, you can't even spot the clues when somebody comes in. I mean, I'm not saying he was the guy who was all bad or all good. But you noticed it. I noticed it, and I was disappointed that nobody else did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:37

Most people are not aware of their surroundings and that most people do not have a clue. And that's it's unfortunate. And that's where it's kind of our job, why we're doing this, right? To to educate people. Again, it's not to be fearful, but it's we're living in a in a in a dark time. Um I think God's angry, very angry at our country. And you you better be really be really aware more than ever of of your surroundings, what's going on. And just most people are not, they don't see these things. They think everything's just happy and good, and they they watch CNN and they think everything's just just fine. Um, church is the same way. When you go to a church or things like that, people are really not aware of the dangers that are a lot of a lot of churches, especially around here.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

Yeah, they're just unaware a lot of things. They're they're not prepared to uh to there you go, right there. It's 322. That's the uh skull and bones. Uh that hang on out, Cast. There you go, right there. 322. Okay. Yep, I got it. Um uh let me see. It was Jack Pine. He put on here a second ago. I saw it was uh oh, there was just new body cam footage he saw today of J6, and they had audio, and they were talking about how they were going to get it started that day. Yep, I've got some videos of that stuff too, but uh obviously he's got the new one um that just came out. But yeah, these things are getting out there, they're slowly getting out there. There's it's it's nuts. Um, music lover says she paint uh pointed out a Freemason compass on the back left of a brake light of a fancy SUV. My mom didn't understand why it was significant during a traffic stop. Yeah, I see the Masonic Temple everywhere. Uh the the logos because they're in every little small town. Your small town, my small town, the town we grew up in, yours. They're everywhere. I mean, there's a reason why. I mean, we just don't know the reason why, but there is. And uh Mystery Pie talks about this a little bit. So go ahead, Fire Dog, where are we at?

SPEAKER_03 56:22

And they're misleading people to that Masons, but that is man, they mislead so many people. So many people think that's such a I I think some of the people early on in it are have good intention, but they don't realize what they're really dealing with, I believe. I I know some good people that that are part of it, unless unless I'm just hidden by the the cover they have, but I'm shocked that people don't know what the Freemasons are about. It's just mind-boggling.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

Well, you're you're gonna you're gonna like that episode that comes out Friday then. Go ahead, okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:50

Yeah, I I don't want to give too many anything away, but um Father Carlos Martins, who's what who's a preeminent uh exorcist, um, he said that um it if in the oath you take in itself. Now, some people go, well, I didn't I didn't mean I just took the oath, but I didn't mean it when I said it. But regardless, the oath declares that you're the property of that of them. Well, that flies in the face of God because technically you're God's property. Oh, I did not know that. So when you're taking yeah, I never thought about that either, Doug. I'm glad you I I'm glad I got a wow out of you that because that's what it did to me too. I was like, whoa, I didn't think about that. But this oath is essentially saying, you know, I am now the property, and and now and forevermore, because you're once you're in, you're in. And uh, and if I if they they make all these proclamations that if I don't, if I betray these oaths, you can cut my tongue out and bury my you know, my limbs and the one in the east and one in the west and bury my torso in the sand and the beach. And I mean, there's all these weird things that they say, but but taking oaths should be a red flag because you are God's property. Yes, you are, whether you accept it or not. Awesome. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

Um all right. There's a couple other things that I wanted to cover on the uh the who there and that and very important thing, and this gets a little more costly, but I I strongly urge people um not just in gray men in general, is some type of community good communications outside of cell. GRMS radios, um earpieces, bluetooth, you have Bluetooth, they have regular ones without is having these options. If again things go down, you should have some communications with with loved ones. Now, granted, they're they're not gonna go far. Uh depends on building structures, things like that. But if you're moving around within cities, is having some communications is if you're on your phone, it takes your eyes off of what's going on, also. Um I as strong as you're having hand signals if you're going with somebody for some great man situation that and it don't have to be complicated, just something that you know I'm in trouble, I'm not, whatever it is, just having some hand signals maybe that to if you're moving through. Um and just being good with your skill sets, knowing what they are, knowing your limits, uh, being patient is so crucial with that. If you've got if you've got to accomplish something, and again, now I'm referring to something where you've got to go in somewhere that's just not a great situation, is being very patient with what you're doing, not uh not talking a lot. Most of the time having little knowledge is better, not running your mouth, not saying a whole lot is better. It brings it brings attention to you. We all know there's people that know everything, um, and it and it brings it catches your attention. So just go in there, be in one of the crowd, not saying what you really have to get through.

SPEAKER_02 59:27

You know, um, yeah, all this stuff is very um exciting. Well, uh exciting but interesting to me. Um, as you were just saying that, I just thought that you know the skills that I learned hunting all these years. Uh talking about hand signals and talking about you know moving quiet, you know, uh you're trying to communicate with another guy that's over there, you know, a fellow hunter, uh, because you're trying to push a deer one way or whatever. I mean, it's almost like those kind of skills that I learned from doing that go right into this everyday gray man stuff. You know, it's just uh we're just doing different things, but uh the same concept. Can we talk about practical everyday uh uses that we're you know, school? I mean, look how many moms and and dads, more moms, end up going to school with their kids and stuff. And I always at schools, I mean, look whether they're real or not, a lot of them, you know, what whatever you think about school shootings and all that stuff. I was grey, I was gray manning uh at my schools when I at my daughter's school when you know elementary when they were going all those years. I was always grey gray manning that stuff, sheepdogging. I I don't know, maybe that's just the dad in me or whatever, the the the the man in me, whatever it is. It just comes natural. I just I it feels like I have to do that. Maybe because it's the chickens, I don't know. I'm always protecting the chickens, so maybe I just well that's that's how why we talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

We're different beings, you know, men are different beings, we're protectors, you know, and that that's our job. That's what God gave us our job for. Um I think that comes with it. I don't know, I agree. Yeah, knowing these different situations, they're all a little different, you know. Like you said, a school versus a supermarket versus uh a rally versus what a business district, ethnic group or a cultural group. Yeah they're all different. Um and you need to think about them a little more before just before just rushing in.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

Right. And I want to know about you guys out there. There's there's a lot of viewers on these different uh chats. Um if you guys, you know, if you have anything to throw in here too, had have you guys figured out a way? Do you guys do any of this kind of stuff? Um, can you see it where you live where you could uh actually uh employ some of this stuff and move, I don't know, incognito if you needed to without people you know remembering who you are? Or um you ever seen those out uh those I don't know what you call them? There's there's certain TV shows back in the day where you would watch uh somebody come into the theater. They would send uh somebody into the theater, right? And they would just walk in and sit down, and then they would ask a group group of people how observant are you? Yes, did you see that person come in and sit down? What were they wearing? All that kind of stuff. Do do other people do this stuff too?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

Have you seen the have you seen the one where the uh oh what was it? I wish we could bring it up. It's it's somebody on stage and they move they're moving these people around on stage and they say, Did you see the clown? And they replay it, and there's this clown, or I think whatever it was, walking right across behind what was going on. I did see that. Yeah, it's it's amazing. You go, wow, did and you did you catch that? And and who catches it, who doesn't? It's having that that observation skill. And it's and it's not something you're gonna say, today I've got it, tonight I've got it. I learned we sat in this podcast, we know it. This takes practice, it takes constant practice, watching, learning. Like you said, walking on a sidewalk, knowing where you position yourself around your spouse. All those things are just those little things that you have to slowly learn to do, right? It's not uh it's no one's gonna be great at gray man right away. It takes a lot. I have so much to learn with this.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:17

Well, the great the best gray man out there is Sasquatch. So we uh you know study what he does and and be like that. But um outcast. Doug, how how much more do you have left to go? Are we are we looking at the end of this year?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:30

I mean I mean I uh I a couple other just minor things. We we talk about travel uh pre-planning, if you can. Uh one thing is is important too is it we don't think about a lot, is if you're going again, we're talking gray. We all know when we we smell something and it still and it lasts. So if you're going somewhere as gray, avoid fragrances.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

Okay, you don't want to go in. Hang on a second. Let's all right. Now you're talking something we haven't brought up fragrances.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:04

Colognes, perfumes. If you're going gray, you don't want fragrances because people pick up on that. Triggers the memory. Absolutely does. They can take they know if somebody walks by, we know we've walked by somebody in a store, and it really uh sometimes it's it's it's smells good, sometimes it doesn't. And you pick that up, and if you think about it, you know we wear fragrance, and you go in somewhere, that just gives somebody else the a key of potentially just one more thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

Well, then you're employing a sense not now. Smells not out visual. You think about this visual, like if you're in a grocery store, visuals and sounds are your biggest thing, but smells usually aren't when somebody walks by you. So when that happens and you smell something that smells, wow, that smells really good. Especially if they suspect you. Yeah, then you turn your head, you're gonna recognize something, their face.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:52

You can't get that fragrance off you. You know, that's not something you can just take off.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

You know, it's funny you say that because there's certain smells that will take me back to high school. Certain flowers, certain fragrances. It's like as soon as I smell it, like, wow, I'm back in the 80s again. It's crazy. So, okay, that that's very um man, that's important. So you want to make sure you're not, you know, depending on what you're you're doing. I mean, you might be on a hot date with Amy. You know what I'm saying? Correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

You might want to smell it smell good. Not like the farms. Right. We go we go by the local dairy, and I I open my window, I roll my windows down, she rolls them up. I love the love the fragrance. Oh, I'll eat ice cream out there in their parking lot. Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

That's ice.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

I miss it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:35

Um, all right, Alcast. That was a good one he brought up. Smells, fragrance.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

I mean think of all your senses, you know, all your senses that we're trying to you were trying to avoid being gray on, right? We want to gray everything out.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

So yeah. Even your that makes total sense, but I didn't even think of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Me neither until he said it. But um, wow, that's a good one. I'm at the uh yeah, that's good. I don't wear that stuff anyway, but um, every now and then I'll squirt something on depending on where we're going. But I I usually don't wear that stuff. Stuff it just ends up going bad in the in the closet. Um music lever. I love the smell of farm life. Yeah. Yep. I smell that every day. Hey, um what about your vehicles? Let's talk about that. Now, the vehicles that I think my vehicle, I can't hide that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

I can't see you in there the same way. Yeah. You drive a big lifted truck into somewhere and you drive in the city, kind of obvious.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:22

Yeah. I gotta park a mile out because it doesn't fit in any of these spots. Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:26

And that's where you maybe you put a you put you put a bike in the back of your truck and you park two miles out and you have to bike into what you have to do. You have to finish. Maybe it's a skateboard. Maybe it's an area that I could put a no, I don't know if I'm gonna try a skateboard, but probably would not go well. Uh Outcast does. But you but you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a great one. I totally forgot about it. Is that that vehicle? You've got to have an option. I I have one vehicle. I can't change that. I can't put a wig on that. Uh you gotta go and maybe park and walk in, hike in, ride a bike, pogo stick, whatever it is, uh to get where you have to go to again stay gray.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:01

Wow, good one. Now, Outcast has a great car for for uh gray man theory. Um because it it just blends right in, and you can you can just kind of look right over, look right past it, right? Um that that's really good because you uh the what you do for work and what you have to transport around. I mean, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:21

It is it is it is literally gray. Yeah, perfect. Sub subcompact SUV, right? Um so so yeah, you're right. It is it is the ultimate uh ambiguous vehicle. But I would agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:34

Now, see, this is though where we you know you you've heard of of mag groups, right? Mutual aid uh groups, right? Very, very important to belong to one or a couple, right? Because uh we all can't have five, six different vehicles, right? But if we'd have different ones, hey, I need to do this, can I use your for for this this detail, whatever? Yeah, and you know you have each other, you know what I'm saying? So that's another advantage of having that mag group because you may need that different vehicle to go somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:59

Yeah, that's very important. And as far as bikes go, um I I don't know if you know, but I I've been messing with bicycles for a long time. I've got I've got a lot of bikes back there for different purposes. Um, some are just childhood bikes, but I have a couple of them that uh one in particular, remember that one I was been working on? I call it my apocalypse bike. Um I I did a lot of really cool upgrade stuff on it, and Outcast has something that's similar to that too. Um, but I can throw I actually did it this summer. We it took me and and and the girls and the kids, we went down to our local dairy that's down there, the big one, you know the one, and I bought a gallon of milk after we walked around the whole place and had fun. Bought a gallon of milk, it goes in the bag, in my bag. Uh it's got a sleeve for the nine millimeter, it's got a phone sleeve, it's got a tire pump sleeve, and what what you you can't tell, it just looks like a a bike bag, yeah, a messenger bag. That's all it looks like. But all the good stuff is on the inside. And I can go right through a neighborhood, right through anything. It just looks like I'm mountain biking. That's all it looks like. Um, but I have it tricked out, and I want to do so much more to that bike because um the reason I ended up with this bike is because I was like, well, you know what, man? If for some reason we can't get around in vehicles, this I can get around pretty quick in. Uh now I'm seeing these electrical electric bikes come in, and I can see I was so against electric bikes and all this stuff, but now I kind of see it as uh like one of my Milwaukee tools because I have, you know, of course you have a limited amount of time, but if you have something to gotta you gotta go do quick, those those pedal bikes are really fast, or those electric bikes are really, really fast. So who knows? Uh I might end up with one of those laying around here. Who knows? Um, it won't be my primary vehicle or anything, but it'll be a gray man electric bike uh that I can probably charge off of a lot of stuff I have laying around here. You know, I can transfer uh battery power and 12 volt power to a lot of stuff. So I don't know, man. I might have to throw that into my old gray man theory.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Yeah, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:02

Uh electric bikes. Uh and I know a lot of hunters out west, they do elk hunting and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:07

They use those in the trails. Oh, I have friends that are usually hunting to Iowa, they they have them to go out and do their blinds, they don't want to walk.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:13

Yeah, and they're quiet, they're quiet, they have a purpose. So um cool, I like that. So um and I don't I don't think they're hooked to the grid. At least mine wouldn't be. Uh, you know, Wi-Fi and all that crap. I don't want that. But um music lover, electric fat bike will get you all over the backwoods. See? Now dang it. Now I'm gonna have to get one. All right. Umcast, what else you have? What do you else what do you have for uh for fire dog here tonight? The gray man.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:42

No, he's covered a lot. Um, I'm just trying to think if there's anything else. I mean, you know, for I it's a different scenario when you're in the suburbs than you are in the city. Um now, in a way, I I feel like my day-to-day uh outfit that I wear for work is pretty ambiguous, kind of like the costume he put he put on. Um I think I look very non-threatening in my everyday you know work life. I don't want to look like a target either. I don't want to look like a soft target. Is there a happy medium with that, Doug? That I mean, is that something I gotta be aware of? Like let's let's say let's say you know there's a there's a ride in the streets and everybody's going bonkers. Um do I want to look slightly tough in the and and and move amongst them, or do I want to look uh benign and ambiguous or I don't want to look weak. You know what I mean? That's the concern I have about those scenarios when I try to think that out in my mind. Any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:36

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. Uh that is part of that's part of the how and having the means also. So I agree with you, because I don't want to go in where I have to uh I'm of a I'm of short stature myself, and we all know from growing up, Jesse can relate, it's short statures, it's you're you're looked at differently, first of all, right? So I okay, you are too okay. So we already have to deal with that. We can't change that. So uh if I go in looking all tough, that may draw what I don't want to draw either. But if I go in too weak, like you said, now I'm vulnerable. Maybe then I now I now I gotta deal with it because now they want to do something, take something from me, whatever, because that's so there is a fine line. But it's also your skill sets uh to get yourself out of that situation also. So you know the last thing we ever want to do is draw somebody, right? That's the last thing you ever want to have to do. So that's your skill sets, and maybe it's hand to hand. It's learning something, having uh jujitsu, having something in your back pocket, defensive techniques tactics, uh uh to to get yourself out of. So yes, there is, I think, a fine line, and uh that has to do with the where you're going. So you said a riot. Um I think your best case there if if you had is is to look like them. Um not looking too weak. But it again, can you get yourself out of that if you do look too weak? But outnumbered none of us really can, right? It doesn't matter what you have. So I think it depends on the situation. I wouldn't go in looking too too tough, but I wouldn't also go in looking like somebody's gonna want to try and take me out. Right. I think you have a uh the right mindset for it. I believe.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:19

Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:20

You know, th bringing that up made me think about eye contact. I I always keep eye contact to people, especially on a sidewalk or in a store or walking by in a hallway or something. I always make eye contact because that gives you and the person looking at you, it's like if you make eye contact with somebody like that, most you know, that somebody's trying to hurt or mess with you, if you give them direct eye contact, they're gonna pass you. You you never notice that. But if you're looking down, looking away, you're an easy target.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:53

That's submissiveness. If you're not if you're looking down, it's a submissive appearance of them, so it's the I can I can conquer the submissive person. Yeah, versus I'm challenging standing up. You look at a dog, yep. You know, and that's that's why you don't stare at dogs, because they they will sometimes aggr be aggressors too. So you gotta you gotta be careful that too, because you get the wrong person in that. Again, it's knowing what that is. Uh you make too much eye contact with somebody, you might maybe be throwing the gauntlet down. Okay, now you cross the line. Yeah. Yeah, make the contact. I you know I'm here. I just recognize that you know I'm here, but I don't want to hold it too long either. Because now I'm kind of challenging you. Yeah. Um just so when you're back in the day when you when you fight, you you you you don't want to get the point of of throwing that challenge down. Again, we're trying to be gray in this whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Okay, they they know I'm here, they saw me so that that I can now continue moving. Again, that the whole point of here we're talking gray is to be gray. I don't want to be conspicuous, like I'm that person looking. I may be aware enough, but not too aware.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:54

Right. And then uh I dig what you're saying. I I do all that stuff too. Uh music lover, she says, Do you or do you do y'all not do y'all not the uh do you guys do the the purse lip slight smile and nod thing? Um yeah, yeah, I know I know what you're saying sometimes or the the what's up, you give the what's up like that, you know. It can go either way. You can what's up or just look and a very slight nod. You know, that's what all I do. I just I'm always giving somebody, you know, I'm looking at them in their eye because from far away I can tell, all right, this guy's kind of alpha and stuff. I'm just gonna be alpha right with him. Yeah, and I'll just nod, what's up, buddy? You know, I if if things are gonna go bad in this spot, well, we probably got each other's back, you know, stuff like that. So um again, I don't know that it's just I think it's just in us, right? It's not true, I don't know, maybe it was training. I don't know. That's just how I feel about that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:49

Um I think some people just have better instincts regarding these things, better intuition, better, you know, just and also too, don't do not do not um what's the word I'm looking for? Don't take for granted the fact that God grants us wisdom and discernment right to those who ask him for it. Amen. Okay. He he smiled on uh on David because David specifically asked for those attributes. And he'll do the same to you if you ask the same thing. So if you're not actively asking for that in your prayer life, I'm gonna say go do that because uh it's gonna get you through all these scenarios if you have wisdom and discernment. You'll be able to, you know, uh move and and shift any way that you need to. Um and then you think about everything we're saying tonight is is about a moderation type thing. You don't want to be you don't want to look like a victim, you don't want to look like um Mr. Hero either. You want to kind of blend in. That's the that's the goal, right? Um but you don't but you want to keep your wits about you so you're not being sucked into something you don't want to be involved with either. You don't want to be like an absolute sheep and and and you know run with the herd because the herd is usually pretty stupid. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:56

Um it looks like a music lover has a friend over here in the rumble uh rumble chat, uh Ice Sun, what's going on? She uh Ice Sun says you have to acknowledge people, otherwise it's sus. Yes, suspect for sure. I like that. Yep. And she she or he says, I'm too weird to hold eye contact. Well, what I'm talking about is not eye contact or holding it. It's just uh it's that right there. It's that quick. Yeah, you can you guys you know what it's like. Yep. Um then you because the other guy's gonna be like, hey, what's up? And that's it. It's very quick. Um and it doesn't need to be any more than that. Because if if you hold it too long, you're gonna end up fighting that guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:34

Yep, and I think I think a lot of it also has to do with uh the crowd. If if I am more isolated or on just a you know, there's just a few people, that's a great tactic. If I'm trying to move gray and I have a large crowd, I can I can very easily blend and put myself in that crowd and even avoid that having to put eye contact. I can have my reflective glasses on, I can be looking at things, uh, if if glasses are appropriate for this situation, and I can be moving through a big crowd, avoid that eye contact, so I'm not even on that radar, versus if, like you said, if I'm more of a single isolated eye, I may have to put that those eyes. Okay, I I know I see you there, you're there. Just let them know, but I'm still moving about my business. I'm not a threat. Right. I just know what's going on. Just been recognized. Yeah, just recognized.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:26

That's that's that's a good way to put it. Yeah, I like it. So awesome. Look, we're gonna have to start closing this thing out. Doug, you want to hang out while we uh close the show out? All right, absolutely. You know what? The best part of this show tonight was doing that, what you did there. You you did how many different looks did we end up with? You have this one here, plus the other three you did. And all it was was yeah, four, at least four. I mean, that was the best part of the show, I think. I mean, if you go back, take pictures, and and look at uh who I was sitting next to, it was different. Did that look goofy to you, Alcaz, or funny or strange or what?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:56

It was it was great, it was great. And and the Uncle Rico comments were killing me too. Anything that reminds me of so it makes me happy, so that's good.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:04

Yeah, I like it. So if you guys out there, you know, the the ones who aren't uh watching live or or seeing this, uh, you know, later you you'll see it. But uh the audio people who listen to this on the podcast, you might want to check this one out and scroll through and you'll see uh the different looks. I mean, because they're they're so much different than what you look like right now. It's so funny. I like it. It's some good stuff, you guys. Um, you know, thanks to you, Fireback, for coming in and doing all the disguises and doing the Green Man Theory stuff. There's a lot of stuff that I didn't think about. Um I'm gonna try to do anything and point some of this stuff. Um thanks to uh you know for being up there and being up to being part of this. Um, you know, you can see that.